"We will never save civilisation as long as civilisation is our main object. We must learn to want something else even more."
—C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
I'm a fundamentalist by conviction but too independent to join the kind of "fundamentalist" fraternity where brashness is mistaken for leadership and trivial matters and trite ideas are treated as if they were fundamental doctrines.
I'm not sure about always, but he certainly found a good place to say the right words that time.
More 'independent' than the 'Independent' Baptists? Ha..ha..I like it. I've always claimed that IFB had a VERY strong and unhealthy denominational mindset.
I'm thankful for Phil Johnson as well. I praise God for his ministry.However, I too am "too independent to join the kind of 'fundamentalist' fraternity where brashness is mistaken for leadership and trivial matters and trite ideas are treated as if they were fundamental doctrines."And yet I unashamedly identify with the Fundamentalist movement. I kind of wish he'd taken note of those within the movement who aren't nutters. There are some... I swear. =P
Just keep beating that dead horse, Ben. You go.
Something tells me fundamentalists don't like being judged by their associations.
Ben:It would do well to reference Bob Topartzer's response to Phil Johnson, which included the follwing-Now you are a Fundamentalist? So Fundamentalism is not "Dead Wrong" as it does have you as a live person embracing it but still criticizing it, or some such as me, as concerned with trivial ideas and trite matters. Acts 20:17-35 demands diligence in watch care for fundamental doctrines and also what some may consider trivial or trite but which can have dire consequences.However, most do not consider the Gospel a trivial or trite matter. They do consider the Hyper Lordship Gospel of John MacArthur as a Gospel embedded with major errors and which has some serious unintended consequences. It is a Gospel involving saving faith rejected by the IFCA in 1990, yet John is still a member of the IFCA. The well qualified committee of the IFCA was gracious, conciliatory, but definite. It included Robert Thomas from Masters.I think your post was brash, overstated, and failing to deal with the substance of the concerns I have expressed.
The chicago way will always have its made men who will continue to conduct drivebys. One thing I do wonder about, is if the made men are allowed to decide on their own authority to do a driveby or if they get their orders higher up. Maybe the answer is both.
Fundamentalism, as a man-following denomination is still 'dead wrong', but 'real Fundamentalism', which is not tied to following men, but rather the fundamental doctrines of the Bible is alive and well.
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