First, Bauder thinks fundamentalism has too many seminaries:
Bauder says the initial conversations were motivated by a “push and a pull."My interpretation (and I speak as a Maranatha alumnus): There is no compelling justification to start another conservative fundamentalist seminary, particularly when the movement is already bleeding out more and more guys to places like Southern.
"The push comes from a multiplication of institutions in fundamentalism, a shrinking movement that cannot sustain all of its colleges and seminaries. By multiplying institutions, we have diluted our educational excellence,” Bauder says.
By my count, there are at least ten seminaries serving conservative, non-KJVonly fundamentalism. Depending on how strictly you define "seminary" and "conservative fundamentalism," you might get even higher. I can't document their their combined full-time equivalent (FTE) enrollment, but I'd be utterly flabbergasted if it's more than 2,000. I'm guessing closer to 1,000, and that may be high.
By contrast, the SBC operates six seminaries with a combined FTE enrollment of 7,750. At least two, and perhaps as many as four of them by themselves are larger than all the conservative fundamentalist seminaries combined. That doesn't mean the SBC's getting it right, but it does display a stark contrast. The data reinforces Bauder's arguments that multiplication has unnecessarily diluted resources and faculty. Whether that long-standing trend reflects the Fundamentalist impulse to splinter, or merely the natural outgrowth of a movement that skews more to independence than cooperation, I'll leave to the historians to settle.
That leads to the second reason this merger looks like a good thing on the surface: It's reversing the Fundamentalist splinter impulse:
“We come out of slightly different milieus. Faith comes historically from the Regular Baptist movement, and Central comes from the very conservative wing of the Conservative Baptist movement. Over time, these two branches have grown much closer together,” Bauder says. “One of our goals in the merger is to bring closer together two constituencies that never should have been separated in the first place.”Other groups and constituencies never should have been separated in the first place either, but this is a start.
James Maxwell agrees, saying, “We want to do all we can to preserve the heritage and constituencies of both groups.”
Now the question:
According to Bauder, “all of the big philosophical questions are out of the way,” but the two boards were continuing to discuss “the thorny questions that are the standard factors in any academic merger.” Bauder lists the matter of combining the two boards, selecting administrators, merging administrative functions, and hiring faculty.This makes me wonder what the philosophical issues were. My sense is that Faith has historically held a quite rigid position on dispensationalism. Central has not, at least not to the same degree. Faith specifically affirms (PDF) traditional dispensationalism. At least from time to time, some faculty at Central have advocated some form of, well, non-traditional dispensationalism.
For all my arguments that churches have no justifiable grounds to exclude members over many millennial or tribulational views, I believe a seminary bears no such obligation to tolerate differences. But that doesn't make rigid unanimity prudent. I have no inside information whatsoever, but I wonder if diversity on dispensational views was one of the philosophical questions. Is it possible that even some variations under the already narrow umbrella of "premill, pretrib" might be excluded? I hope this merger doesn't dilute the educational experience of the students by imposing an artificial, unnecessary unanimity.
True, institutions must grapple with the parameters of their own identity and their target constituency. But students who don't hear thorough presentations of opposing views aren't equipped to refute them. And frankly, traditional dispensationalists haven't offered convincing explanations for all the biblical data. To be fair, maybe no one has, and that's all the more reason to draw the lines at least as broadly as Central has, historically.
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I wonder if the parties involved would consider what you are suggesting as one of the big philosophical questions.
As long as everybody involved agrees on the distinction between Israel and the church, what, in your mind, remains that is still a big philosophical question?
Joel, that's a great question, and I don't know the answer. But if my assessment of the historical differences is correct, then in light of how so many fundamentalists see dispensationalism as the 6th fundamental, I can't imagine that it didn't come up.
As to your second question, that's one of the main differences, if not the main difference, between progressive and traditional dispensationalists, in my understanding. I'm no expert on the distinctions, but progressives look at texts like Romans 4 and Galatians 3 differently.
They argue that those texts point to stronger continuity between Israel and the church than traditionals allow. Progressives see a present aspect of the Davidic Kingdom (in the church) that traditionals see as wholly future. Their views on the New Covenant correspond. On numerous occasions I've heard traditionals speak forcefully and militantly against the threats the progressives introduce.
Excellent thoughts, Ben. I too am an MBBC alum and wonder how much the reality you point out was a consideration in their starting a seminary. I would really like to hear their rationale from this particular angle. It just doesn't seem to make good sense in the big picture.
On Tuesday Bauder talked to the student body about the potential merger. One student did ask about Faith's position on progressive dispensationalism and whether that would change. I think I have this quote right (from memory) but Bauder said "I don't think Faith will allow progressive dispensationalism to be taught on their campus."
I am a classic dispensationalist, but I don't like this particular aspect of the merger. I appreciate at Central that I have had opportunities to hear many sides of many different debates within orthodoxy. I for one hope that will not change.
For some reason that last comment published before I could post my name!
David,
Thanks for the info, and thanks for posting your name as well. I guess your comments beg the question, what constitutes "their campus"? Permitted on one campus/location and not another is not a scenario that strikes me as likely to be tolerated over the long term.
Ben,
I stated "their campus" poorly. You should not take that to mean that as long as the teacher is in MN he can teach progressive dispensationalism whereas he cannot in Iowa. My understanding of the merger (in light of the comments made by Bauder at Central) is that Faith would take the lead which would thereby eliminate progressive dispensationalism being taught at either campus.
"As long as everybody involved agrees on the distinction between Israel and the church."
Covenantalists believe there is a distinction between Israel and the church -- just like there is a distinction between a tree and a branch.
Ben, I agree that the merger is good -- a first wiff of baptist fundamentalists moving away from pathological individualism/independency.
It's too bad that it may mean a unity in traditional dispensationalism, but it may be that the unity/cooperation need is greater than the eschatology/hermeneutic need.
Keith
David,
Thanks for the clarification. Ugh.
Keith,
True enough. It's not hard at all to show how even, say, Ligon Duncan meet the sine qua non of dispensationalism.
Ben,
I am surprised by the premise that bigness matters with regard to seminary training. I would have thought that you wouldn't jump so easily from your church based commitments and philosophy to seem to embrace the idea that larger schools ipso facto means better training.
DMD
DMD,
Perhaps you could clarify what I said that you believe implies that I think bigness is a virtue. Bauder made the argument for fundamentalist dilution. I offered some statistics that put his argument in context, and noted "That doesn't mean the SBC's getting it right." Have I missed your point, or is your dispute really with him?
Ben,
If that's not the point you were making by the numbers comparison, then I withdraw my comment.
DMD
Ben, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. You're right on target using the institutional data. I've studied Christian higher education for many years, and frankly, while we might not like to think that "size matters", when it comes to institutional survival, it really does.
We'll be seeing more closures and mergers within conservative fundamentalism in the coming years.
Eric
Okay, I'll bite.
My original comment was based on the fact that my perception, and I could be wrong, is that to make the point about dilution would really need to be based on numbers of churches represented, not size of student body(ies). I.e., X number of churches are being served by X number of seminaries, whereas a smaller number of churches have a larger number of seminaries. I might be off, but I am not sure that there is a necessary correlation between the size of the student body and the quality of the education.
Also, Eric, I think you are right if one's paradigm is primarily governed by institutional survival. But, if one's paradigm has been designed based on the premise that local churches have the obligation to perpetuate the gospel ministry, then designing an educational model that serves a specific set of likeminded churches can be sustained, I believe, without the prevailing institutionally driven paradigm. And you can do this with a very well trained, competent faculty.
DMD
DMD,
I think there's certainly no question that large seminaries can offer educations that are inferior to small seminaries. Size is in no way a guarantee of quality.
But I think Bauder's point is that fundamentalist seminaries offer an education quality that's inferior to what it would be if there were not an imprudent or unnecessary multiplication. I hear you disagreeing with him. Is that accurate?
Ben,
I really can't do a lot of back and forth since I'm heading up north for conference this week, but the short answer is, no. I was disagreeing with the way that you supplied "evidence" for the idea. And I was disagreeing with Eric's premise regarding institutional survival controlling the educational paradigm. I did not address Kevin's point directly at all.
Sorry to drop out again, but I've got some work to do for my Heart Conference workshops that is increasing in urgency. I'm beginning to think we should merge most of our conferences into one or two down in warm weather states during January and February. In fact, I have real peace about that.
DMD
To use the analogy of "market share":
Remember when General Motors commanded a 60% market share of vehicles sold in the US? (Probably before your time).
And they had dealerships everywhere.
Then last year they realized that they had but a fraction of the market share ... but still the same number of dealerships.
Well they closed them.
At one time there were 130 MBA (Minnesota Baptist Association) churches. Now but a fraction.
Churches of "that brand" of fundamentalism are in decline.
Hey it hurts .. it's my brand!!!!
That's why fundamentalist seminaries are in decline.
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