tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post1180820365117720051..comments2024-01-12T09:37:16.515-06:00Comments on paleoevangelical: All the Really Good Stuff I've Been Saving up for YouBenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07113808932788409800noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-81557894909383055232011-03-10T17:08:07.005-06:002011-03-10T17:08:07.005-06:00Ben E,
As I understand the issues, Moore has to p...Ben E,<br /><br />As I understand the issues, Moore has to prove that the kingdom has been inaugurated, AND that the inauguration implies absolute equivalency between Jesus' mission and the church's. If the case for either falls, Moore's thesis fails. So in that sense, I agree with you that the present nature of the kingdom is an issue. <br /><br />I don't discount that, but I think it's much easier to make the case that the church's mission is not coextensive with Jesus'. The church doesn't make a substitutionary atonement, and it doesn't judge the wicked. Believing that the kingdom is inaugurated doesn't mean that the church consummates it.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07113808932788409800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-91621826778188492952011-03-10T15:16:31.238-06:002011-03-10T15:16:31.238-06:00Regarding Moore's muddy waters: I think it'...Regarding Moore's muddy waters: I think it's not only important to recognize that the continuity of Jesus mission is not identical to the inauguration of the kingdom, but that the nature of the present kingdom is still an important issue in all of this. <br /><br />I have yet to see a compelling and consistent case for holistic ministry that is based on the inauguration of the kingdom. People seem to vary on what is already and what is not yet, which in turn affects the relationship between the present kingdom and holistic ministry. And there are plenty of people who believe the inauguration of the kingdom had little to do with holistic ministry outside of the church (i.e., the kingdom is inaugurated inside the church, but that has little to no effect on society at large).<br /><br />BEBEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-45457700262588616642011-03-09T22:29:13.938-06:002011-03-09T22:29:13.938-06:00Well played.Well played.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07113808932788409800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-18410325360648574872011-03-09T22:08:38.406-06:002011-03-09T22:08:38.406-06:00Item #1 on your list actually reminds me of a cert...Item #1 on your list actually reminds me of a certain disputed line from the Apostles' Creed.The Tiffinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04177249344827299583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-61137472096321162762011-03-09T08:56:50.750-06:002011-03-09T08:56:50.750-06:00Dave,
There is no confessional test for churches ...Dave,<br /><br />There is no confessional test for churches to contribute to the Cooperative Program or send messengers to the annual meeting. (It is true—if enough Presbyterians or Unitarians contributed throughout the year, they could register messengers. Though if they did that, I expect confessionalism would emerge before they could make any lasting impact.)<br /><br />There IS a confessional test for the cooperative efforts. All employees and trustees of the various entities must affirm the Baptist Faith and Message. I think I've heard the "confessional basis for cooperation" term used in a technical way to describe that, but I could be wrong.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07113808932788409800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-18757086401799854732011-03-09T06:51:49.601-06:002011-03-09T06:51:49.601-06:00Ben,
I am curious about your commment that the SB...Ben,<br /><br />I am curious about your commment that the SBC maintains "a confessional basis for cooperation." What do you mean by that? My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that cooperation is not limited by the confession, i.e., no church has to agree with it to be in the SBC or give to the SBC. Am I mistaken?Dave Dorannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-55625821949385691872011-03-09T06:16:27.438-06:002011-03-09T06:16:27.438-06:00Joel, I don't really follow football during ba...Joel, I don't really follow football during basketball season, you know? (Especially one this good.)<br /><br />But I guess if I did, I'd have linked to an article and commented, "Hope you enjoyed the moral high ground while it lasted," or maybe, "Somebody's been hanging out with RichRod too much."Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07113808932788409800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-53771198658657330922011-03-08T21:52:15.616-06:002011-03-08T21:52:15.616-06:00Enjoyed perusing your really good stuff. I'm s...Enjoyed perusing your really good stuff. I'm shocked that today's news about the Sweater Vest didn't make the list. :)Joelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202021167344775243noreply@blogger.com