tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post115797581211722053..comments2024-01-12T09:37:16.515-06:00Comments on paleoevangelical: Three Fun Things from This WeekendBenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07113808932788409800noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-35210313389219932442009-08-09T08:18:12.212-05:002009-08-09T08:18:12.212-05:00I'm familiar with the Majesty Hymnal, and I ha...I'm familiar with the Majesty Hymnal, and I have the same criticism. Too much Garlock and Hamilton--though both are good men, and the book has its merits, in my view. It's best if a church hymnal gives the congregation a broad view of Christian hymnody down through the years. Olney Hymns was a special case. (I have a replica copy in my library.) It met a need for the lack hymns and hymn books in that day. Now, there are many more options.Roberthttp://www.wordwisehymns.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1158153384811255702006-09-13T08:16:00.000-05:002006-09-13T08:16:00.000-05:00If you're examining what I said, pleas note that I...If you're examining what I said, pleas note that I didn't argue that it was inferior. I did two things:<BR/><BR/>1. I made an quantifiable observation of its contents.<BR/>2. I affirmed people's rights to publish whatever they want and also to critique what others publish.<BR/><BR/>Never have I said MH is inferior. Inferior is relative. Unless it's the best hymnal ever published, it is inferior to some other hymnal. Unless it's the worst hymnal ever published, it is not inferior to every other hymnal.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665765739805841971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1158096029947137062006-09-12T16:20:00.000-05:002006-09-12T16:20:00.000-05:00"I would likewise vigorously defend anyone's right..."I would likewise vigorously defend anyone's right to say it is an inferior hymnal."<BR/><BR/>Right, but that isn't what you said. Your post said that you were chatting with someone on how the Majesty Hymnal contained a preponderance of songs by Garlock and Hamilton vs. only about 30 by Watts and Wesley <I> as if this fact alone made it inferior</I>. You may think that the Majesty Hymnal is inferior and you may say so. But if you do so based merely on this fact, your reasoning would be wrong. Most hymnal publishers tend to favor their own crowd, and this is likely as it should be.<BR/><BR/>I was objecting to the way the argument was stated, not to the rightness or wrongness of the argument.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>Don Johnson<BR/>Jer 33.3Don Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03332212749734904541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1158074095321514362006-09-12T10:14:00.000-05:002006-09-12T10:14:00.000-05:00Don,I would vigorously defend anyone's right to pu...Don,<BR/><BR/>I would vigorously defend anyone's right to publish a hymnal consisting entirely of their own works, and I would likewise vigorously defend anyone's right to say it is an inferior hymnal.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665765739805841971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1158073879255861812006-09-12T10:11:00.000-05:002006-09-12T10:11:00.000-05:00Keith,No, I'm just a native Ohioan and rabid fan.Keith,<BR/><BR/>No, I'm just a native Ohioan and rabid fan.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665765739805841971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1158015783104743472006-09-11T18:03:00.000-05:002006-09-11T18:03:00.000-05:00Just to clarify, the Olney hymnal is the product o...Just to clarify, the Olney hymnal is the product of John Newton and William Cowper while Newton was the pastor of the church in Olney. My point is that the musicians who produce hymnals are likely to include mostly their own works. This is ever the case and I don't particularly see anything wrong with it. Those who wish to be cynical can designe ulterior motives, but if you don't like the musician, don't buy their wares.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>Don Johnson<BR/>Jer 33.3Don Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03332212749734904541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1158010108639446892006-09-11T16:28:00.000-05:002006-09-11T16:28:00.000-05:00Some game, eh?Top this: we open every Sunday morni...Some game, eh?<BR/><BR/>Top this: we open <I>every</I> Sunday morning worship service with "Come, Christians, Join to Sing."Chris Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14612238067365288834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1157997896097570712006-09-11T13:04:00.000-05:002006-09-11T13:04:00.000-05:00Sorry, Don. I'm totally unfamiliar with Olney.Sorry, Don. I'm totally unfamiliar with Olney.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665765739805841971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1157996426915663282006-09-11T12:40:00.000-05:002006-09-11T12:40:00.000-05:00Would you offer a similar criticism of the Olney H...Would you offer a similar criticism of the Olney Hymnal? Nothing but Newton and Cowper.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>Don Johnson<BR/>Jer 33.3Don Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03332212749734904541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1157989667011268782006-09-11T10:47:00.000-05:002006-09-11T10:47:00.000-05:00Is Ohio State your alma mater? I earned an MA mas...Is Ohio State your alma mater? I earned an MA masters there almost 15 years ago. Had great season tickets in "Block O" at Ohio Stadium.<BR/><BR/>Go Bucks and go Hymns.<BR/><BR/>KeithAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1157980626444225792006-09-11T08:17:00.000-05:002006-09-11T08:17:00.000-05:00I suspect that says more about the people particip...I suspect that says more about the people participating in the winnowing process than about what was left behind.<BR/><BR/>I know there are rich hymns that have been buried. I've sung them. Not very often, and only in one church to this point, but they are out there.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and the <I>Trinity Hymnal</I> contains 36 by Watts and 19 by Wesley.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665765739805841971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1157979917093556872006-09-11T08:05:00.000-05:002006-09-11T08:05:00.000-05:00The 30 by Watts and Wesley is about typical of hym...The 30 by Watts and Wesley is about typical of hymnbooks I believe. I just looked at five on my shelf and they all had around 30. I would imagine they are probably the same songs. <BR/><BR/>After several hundred years, the winnowing process has taken its toll, and these are the ones that have survived, for better or worse.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04886866662463467215noreply@blogger.com