tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post112190902257486920..comments2024-01-12T09:37:16.515-06:00Comments on paleoevangelical: Drinking from WellsBenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07113808932788409800noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1122063040415104412005-07-22T15:10:00.000-05:002005-07-22T15:10:00.000-05:00Thanks Paleo.Thanks Paleo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1122053048059220562005-07-22T12:24:00.000-05:002005-07-22T12:24:00.000-05:00That link is wrong. Not sure why. Here's the corre...That link is wrong. Not sure why. Here's the correct URL:<BR/><BR/>http://paleoevangelical.blogspot.com/2005/07/pitfalls-of-servant-leadership.htmlBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665765739805841971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1122053007413316052005-07-22T12:23:00.000-05:002005-07-22T12:23:00.000-05:00Paul,We have a subscription in our office so I tra...Paul,<BR/><BR/>We have a subscription in our office so I tracked it down on someone's desk. It's in the January-February, 2005 issue.<BR/><BR/>About 80% is a favorable summary of Wells. Interesting to me personally was that Harding and I both refer to some of the same comments from Wells—see <A HREF- HREF="" HTTP://PALEOEVANGELICAL.BLOGSPOT.COM/2005/07/PITFALLS-OF-SERVANT-LEADERSHIP.HTML REL="nofollow">this post</A>.<BR/><BR/>The last column of Harding's review makes the argument that Wells does not go far enough in that his solution does not go far enough to explicitly endorse a fundamentalist/separatist position. I think this is largely fair, but my recollection (I failed to mark the examples sufficiently) is that Wells makes some separatistic statments and certainly alludes vaguely to some of the specific practices Harding rightfully decries in the passage I'll quote below.<BR/><BR/>Harding makes an interesting point about Wells' call for the evangelical Church to pursue reformation, not revival (in a Finneyistic sense). He says, "Revival certainly cannot put life into that which is essentially dead. Nor can reformation renovate apostasy." It is unclear what exactly the "evangelical Church" Wells refers to consists of. If it's the typical lists of "Top 50 Most Influential Evangelical Churches," then Harding is right that regeneration needs to precede reformation. I suspect that Wells meaning, however, is to call on those churches that hold to the historical fundamentals of the gospel but propagate man-centered strategies for worship and church growth to recognize their need to refocus.<BR/><BR/>Here's Harding's conclusion:<BR/>"What we need today is not 'new' Fundamentalism or 'younger' Fundamentalism. Instead, we must recommit ourselves as Fundamentalists to Biblical, orthodox, and historic docrine by affirming as well as defending those doctrines by means of a militant exposure of non-Biblical expressions and practices. Furthermore, we must militantly oppose the New Evangelicalism defined as a conciliatory movement antagonistic to historic, Biblical Fundamentalism, accommodating to Neo-Orthodoxy, opposed to Biblical separation, and cooperative with compromise movements such as ecumenical Evangelism, sensual Christian music, Evangelical feminism, Charismatic theology, Christian psychology, and Willow Creek/Saddleback pragmatism. Finally, Fundamental leaders should encourage our ministerial students to submit themselves to <I>thorough training</I> [emphasis his] in Biblical and systematic theology, the Biblical languages, expositional preaching, the history of Fundamentalism, and our great Baptist heritage."<BR/><BR/>Although Harding and I might disagree on the precise definitions of some of these terms, such as "non-Biblical expressions and practices," I agree with the substance of his conclusion.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665765739805841971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1122037900463573592005-07-22T08:11:00.000-05:002005-07-22T08:11:00.000-05:00How can our culture be redeemed through the nation...How can our culture be redeemed through the national pastime of communism? I am with you lilrabbi.<BR/><BR/>Early this year I think I saw some sort of a book review on NPFT by Mike Harding in Frontline. I believe I saw it in early Feb. and if I remember right he was pretty critical in some way about what Wells was saying. I did not read it all, just skimmed quick.<BR/><BR/>Has anybody seen it? What are your thoughts? Paleo, if you think it would be worthwhile perhaps you could dig it up. I think it would interesting to see an FBF style analysis. Perhaps you could review the review.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1121968016768372272005-07-21T12:46:00.000-05:002005-07-21T12:46:00.000-05:00lilrabbi,It's 3rd world Marxism AND Donald Rumsfel...lilrabbi,<BR/><BR/>It's 3rd world Marxism AND Donald Rumsfeld's "Old Europe." Regardless we're trying to redeem the culture.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665765739805841971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1121967205362497742005-07-21T12:33:00.000-05:002005-07-21T12:33:00.000-05:00Ha! That's funny. Strictly coincidence, though. I ...Ha! That's funny. Strictly <A HREF="http://weblog.karaministries.com/archives/2005/07/20/depth.php" REL="nofollow">coincidence</A>, though. I was just shooting for the cheap Wells pun with a general reference to the content.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665765739805841971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1121965308859096062005-07-21T12:01:00.000-05:002005-07-21T12:01:00.000-05:00I thought you meant something with Drinking from W...I thought you meant something with Drinking from Wells and the Kara post on Depth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1121963862013876302005-07-21T11:37:00.000-05:002005-07-21T11:37:00.000-05:00Hmmm, I wasn't aware that there were any Christian...Hmmm, I wasn't aware that there were any Christian Soccer fans. Isn't it the embodiment of 3rd world Marxism?lilrabbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16224805707773646568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1121961217379069462005-07-21T10:53:00.000-05:002005-07-21T10:53:00.000-05:00Reformed Soccer Guy,Here's what you're looking for...Reformed Soccer Guy,<BR/><A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0802829023/qid=1121960884/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/002-6519702-5261645?v=glance&s=books" REL="nofollow">Here's</A> what you're looking for. We've only got a few weeks to wait for its release.<BR/><BR/>What happened to your Christian Soccer Fans blog, by the way? I bookmarked it and it's gone now.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665765739805841971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1121960456004668982005-07-21T10:40:00.000-05:002005-07-21T10:40:00.000-05:00Could you clarify the allusion?Could you clarify the allusion?Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665765739805841971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1121959928848224672005-07-21T10:32:00.000-05:002005-07-21T10:32:00.000-05:00Nice allusion, by the way, to the Kara post.Nice allusion, by the way, to the Kara post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1121953528018372122005-07-21T08:45:00.000-05:002005-07-21T08:45:00.000-05:00You're right. I most often skip the entertainment ...You're right. I most often skip the entertainment section of World!Scott Aniolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621068409749951310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7080491.post-1121952395276261662005-07-21T08:26:00.000-05:002005-07-21T08:26:00.000-05:00There are better things to spend subscription mone...There are better things to spend subscription money on that World. Touchstone for one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com